[FLPERMACULTURE] Fwd: New York Trying to Make ALL Vaccines Mandatory!

[Joel and Sarah Gagnon]

>You have made the case for individualism about as well as it can be made. 
>It resonates strongly in our contemporary American culture, but it does 
>not serve it or the future of the world well. A culture of self-sacrifice 
>for the common good would be a better perspective, I suggest.

I'm not suggesting that there is not a need for critical examination of 
data that call into question the operating assumptions of government 
programs, be they immunizations or anything else. Such a critical 
perspective is at the heart of the scientific method, itself responsible 
for much progress in dealing with the afflictions of us mere mortals. There 
may well be merit in the suggestion that the preservatives in vaccines, 
when cumulated in multiple dosages, cause unanticipated effects. There are 
many cases of such cumulative effects that were unanticipated, not to 
mention the possible effects of interactions, also rarely studied.

The "don't tell me what to do" response is natural and easily exploited. I 
have seen it in prior debates over mandatory seat belt laws and motorcycle 
helmet laws. As in those cases, where the consequences of poor individual 
choices affect many more than the person making them, the public has an 
interest that weighs in the balance. It is a balance -- one that can and 
should be tilted one way or the other by new information.

Joel

>I think the keywords here are "I, for one".  Living in a world where 
>others are deciding what we are mandatorially obligated to put into our 
>bodies is disturbing.  And no matter what great arguments Joe may have, 
>and we all respect his opinion, it doesn't change the fact that this is 
>what we are talking about.
>
>  It may be a good decision to vaccinate, and there are some vaccines 
> which are great, and others that may be harmful.  But do we want an 
> outside body of the United States Government, of all things this, to 
> decide what we are going to do for our children?
>
>Isn't it time that we had the power to decide for ourselves what to do for 
>ourselves?
>
>Is my deciding to not be vaccinated going to affect someone who has?  If I 
>decide personally to not be vaccinated, then when I contract an illness, 
>it is my responsibility to take care of myself, with the support, or 
>without the support, of my friends and family.
>
>If we had an adequate healthcare system which treated us when we were 
>sick, I could see some issues arising, such as, "well if you don't get the 
>vaccines we prescribe, then when you contract the illness, you have to pay 
>for your own medical expenses". But this is clearly not the issue.
>
>Chris
>
> > Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 01:06:47 -0400
> > From: nidus at pinax.com
> > To: fingerlakespermaculture at lists.mutualaid.org
> > Subject: Re: [FLPERMACULTURE] Fwd: New York Trying to Make 
> ALLVaccinesMandatory!
> >
> > The use of antibacterial soap and immunizing against diseases as
> > devastating as TB are simply not the same thing. I agree that we
> > overprotect ourselves with obsessive cleansing of our own surfaces and
> > those of our surroundings, and I also believe that we overuse
> > antibiotics, something Garrett and others have written about, too.
> >
> > I do hope the people on this listserv will do some homework before
> > deciding against immunizations. I, for one, look forward to getting a
> > vaccine against shingles, available just within the last few years. I am
> > too old to have been vaccinated against varicella (chicken pox) as a
> > child and therefore stand a pretty good chance of contracting the sequel
> > to varicella, otherwise known as shingles.
> >
> > Bethany
> >
> > Andy Goodell wrote:
> > > I can understand why vaccinations are important, but at the same 
> time, it is not something which everyone will agree with.
> > > What would happen if antibacterial soap was required by everyone?
> > > It seems like something that would help health, but I would oppose 
> using it on a regular basis.
> > >
> > > I believe that in attempts of making humans immune to everything, we 
> have caused other problems. It is a widespread thought that auto-immune 
> diseases such as type-1 diabetes, and other health problems such as 
> asthma occur in more people now because as our environments become more 
> sterile, we become used to it until one aspect hits us that we weren't 
> immune to.
> > > -Andy
> > >
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